Series 1 · Episode 2 · ~51 mins
The Football Episode
England & the World Cup
A football episode hosted by a man who hates football, which turns out to be the ideal way in to belonging, money, happiness and the strange cost of fame.
About the show
Every week, Hilary Jeffs and Peter Kinderman pick a story from the news and ask what's actually going on underneath it. Hilary spent her career in communications. Peter is a clinical psychologist and a former President of the British Psychological Society.
Between them they have plenty of opinions, and the opinions don't always match. That's most of the fun. The story is only ever the starting point — what they're really after is why people do what they do.
The format
One story a week. A Prime Minister resigning, the World Cup — the headline is the way in.
Concept of the Week. Peter takes apart a psychological idea most of us have half-remembered wrong.
Tips to Try. Small, practical things, which is exactly what it sounds like.
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Series 1 · Episode 2 · ~51 mins
England & the World Cup
A football episode hosted by a man who hates football, which turns out to be the ideal way in to belonging, money, happiness and the strange cost of fame.
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Your hosts
Communications
A career in communications and the coaching of chief executives. Hilary brings the communications lens, a fair amount of opinion, and a good ear for when a leader has lost the room.
Clinical Psychology
Clinical psychologist and former President of the British Psychological Society. Peter applies psychology to everyday life — out loud, this time — and is happy to resist the pull of a charismatic story.
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